My post on drunken-ness alludes to this event, Emerge Wales is the place to start and Jon Crowder and Ben Dunn the way to get more and go deeper. I've been amused by some of the comments about such things from the well-known emergent bloggers. start here People who are usually so good at thinking out of the box perplexed by some really out-there mystics with really culturally (in)appropriate reclaiming of language and culture and early church ideas.
It was here that I re-got the gospel and took a further trip into the arms of a loving Father.
If we try and rationally discuss the Holy Spirit events it inevitably ends up in a place of 'why do these weird things happen, why would God be so weird, where’s the fruit' question (from a rational, sensible point of view versus a 'It's transformed me, Appeal to specific verses and church fathers/revivalists, God's sovereign he can do what wants' (from an experiential place) .
Having crossed the divide from rational to mental(!) It is simply about stepping into the situation. My journey into stuff I would previously have dismissed began as a call from God to learn from individuals who's lives were full of great things happening rather than simply clever writers/speakers. Jesus taught with authority because he taught from example and practical experience, not form having studied. It's a farce in the modern world that you can lecture on a subject with no practical experience in it. blind leading the blind?
Anyway, having begun this journey in reading, I found myself more and more exploring those who claimed to move in the miraculous and as i spent time under their influence, with discerning antennae highly tuned.
The moment of change was in a large room where Roland Baker was speaking, he was wacky and completely out of it. I was mentally destroying his techniques, theology and was offended in very religious pharisaical kind of way, until Roland walked past me, gently put a hand on my shoulder and i went over backwards laughing my head off, still thinking 'this is wrong!' Both my wife and friend next to me responded in the exact same way, the instant i did.
Experience, theology, tradition and Bible all in a weird conflict. The way forward was to journey on with a more open mind. Eventually I'm on the way to being able to experience, throw myself into all Godly things and take the best. That doesn't mean not being constructively critical.
But it beats sitting on the side saying the water's polluted for fear I may go out of my depth.
Wednesday, 19 November 2008
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TSk - been pretty even handed even supportive even if thats not the way he may personanlly practices his faith. Andrews probably the most pro-charismatic/pentecostal side of the emerging church/emergent conversation going on, his positive experience of mission with YWAM and plus an openness to hang out with anyone no matter how wacky. Check out http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2008/10/supernatural-an.html for some very positive to God working supernaturally stuff. He love to remind people that folks on the other side of the body of christ are just as essential as we are.
Lets be honest there's no more christiscm of these guy's coming from the emergent movement as there is coming from the charismatic/pentecostal movement itself - mike morrells dialog with John being much more generous than it would be from others outside the emerging church. I don't know if you read it - http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/charismatic-chaos-or-holy-spirited-deconstruction/
We all have our boxes, for many it would be troubling to understand God working in congregations that are lead by women, or that have no single heiracical leader, where Homosexuality is affirmed or where there is no singing, or where there is no gathered church or ................... add your own
Plus theres the enormous damage that the charismatic movement has done to many, some of whom have found their way into the emerging church
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